Friday, May 25, 2012

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, Here I am Stuck in the Middle

On one hand we have  Call to Action



And on the other we've got Michael Voris

Jeez. If you want an understanding of how to be gay and Catholic I would suggest listening to a faithful homosexual man. The Sheepcat Catholic commentary by a former gay activist and his wife. Who better to explain having SSA and being faithful to the gospel

9 comments:

salvage said...

That Voris guy is awful, simply awful, I can even watch his videos to point and laugh.

I suppose it's a step forward that the Catholic church is merely demanding that gay people repress themselves to avoid upsetting your god but it's still lunacy.

The idea that your god makes people gay to give them an extra burden is stunningly horrific and once again shows your god to be a sadist of some kind.

Imagine that, making your creation in such a way that it needs love and intimacy, implanting the "gay" version of those feelings and then telling it if it acts on these impulses it's an "abomination" thus for its whole life it can only watch other enjoy and thrive something that is forbidden to them.

It's a hard world, love makes it bearable and your god would deny 1 out of every 10?

Can you see how that would lead to misery at best and suicide at worst?

Why the "It Gets Better" Campaign is so awesome, I wonder how many lives that has saved?

As we have seen in the past secularism and reason is eroding theism grip and a slowly growing majority have come to the obvious realization that two adults having a consenting relationship affects nothing but those in the relationship.

It's going to be interesting to look back at this era forty years from now with people wondering what we thought the big deal was.

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

Imagine that

Salvage, remember since I believe I don't have to imagine, it is.

Why it is? I don't know.

But keep in mind that as a heterosexual woman, if I wasn't married I would not be permitted to have sex. And now that I am I,as per my pre marital oath,must leave myself open to conception. And my husband and I can not use ABC. Is that "fair" that God, through the Church, asks that of me? Heck no, but...Obedience to God is never easy. And each of us has a different "cross to bear" Mine is not homosexuality, but I fight it every day.

Would you say that the man born a paedephile be accepted as he is because God made him that way, or is it right that we arrest them when they give in to their predelictions? After all God made them that way too. Should they be denied "love?"

Not being gay, I cannot answer on the difficulty of being gay and faithful. I am not trying to side step the issue, but when I say look to faithful homosexual Catholics I say so with the hope that they can speak from experience.

I could just have easily put up a post about the Ordination of Women. Or the internal struggle that is happening between libs and Trads about girls serving the Lord's Altar. (You may think those are petty- but to hear some trads talk, they are what will destroy the church.)

salvage said...

>But keep in mind that as a heterosexual woman, if I wasn't married I would not be permitted to have sex.

Well that is also weird but the sharp difference is that you know eventually it will happen, imagine feeling that emptiness forever knowing that it will never be truly filled.

>Would you say that the man born a paedephile be accepted as he is because God made him that way,

Now let's be very clear about something here, pedophilia and homosexuality have as much in common with each other as pedophilia and heterosexuality.

And while the pedophile may be a product of nature and have no control over how they're attracted to they do have a conscious and they know that to act on those impulses would harm the child so if they do they are in the wrong. A child's well being trumps pretty much everything.

So a pedophile that never acts on their impulses is a vastly different thing than a homosexual who does the same. In short one is suppressing a bad thing the other a good one.

>After all God made them that way too. Should they be denied "love?"

That's not "love" that assault and yes they should be denied it.


>I could just have easily put up a post about the Ordination of Women.

You should, it baffles me to no end why your god only accepts men into its middle management positions.

Sid said...

Voris is awesome

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

What would you say then about Gay activists pushing to lower the age of consent to 14? Back in 2010 Gay activists pushed to lower the age of consent to 14. Is a 14 year old old enough to have sex, either straight or not, with an adult,not someone else close in age but grown adults?

But that is not germane to this argument and is a red herring. Just because some gays want younger and younger boys, doesn't mean they are all like that. I understand that.

I chose to use that because like straight, or gays, paedophiles have a sexual preference that they did not CHOOSE. (Paedophiles ( male and female) can be either straight or gay so they exist as a subset in both sets)

In a venn Diagram it would look something like this

Straight on one side, gay on the other and in the overlapping part would be the paedophiles.

If you can see that being born, to quote Lady Gaga, "that way!" doesn't automatically mean that acting on the impulses is acceptable. Then permit me to take it further.

But note that mankind has a myriad of natural impulses (and only a very small fraction of these impulses are sexual in nature) One of the signs a being mature is the ability not to act on any of your impulses), whatever they may be.

Mankind is called to be more than his impulses. If all we do is indulge in our impulses and go on instincts then we are no better than animals. And somehow I think that if we just want to be on par with the animals, somehow we've failed.

We are called by God, and society. to rise above our baser instincts to be better than our natures. It sets us apart from the animals. Do we always succeed, no. That's why some of us need God.

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

Sid You are entitled to your opinion.

salvage said...

>What would you say then about Gay activists pushing to lower the age of consent to 14?

I know of a cases where you have a 19 (or some teenage) year old being sent to jail for having sex with someone a few years their junior because of some older laws that people were trying to change but you'll need to show me the specifics of what you're talking about before I can comment.

>Just because some gays want younger and younger boys, doesn't mean they are all like that. I understand that.

Once again, a pedophile is someone attracted to children a homosexual is someone attracted to their own sex. Being gay does not make you anything like a pedophile anymore than being straight does.


I understand the point you are making, that pedophiles have no choice when it comes to their attractions but that has nothing to do with gays because two people having consenting sex does not hurt anyone (unless of course that's what they're into) having sex with children does hurt the child so it's very much two separate things.

We can say without reservation that adults having sex with children is bad and unacceptable, two consenting having sex? What's bad about that?

>Straight on one side, gay on the other and in the overlapping part would be the paedophiles.

I guess, so what?


> doesn't automatically mean that acting on the impulses is acceptable.

Agreed but the point you are not accepting is that two men having sex doesn't hurt children an adult having sex with a child does. There is no reason to have an opinion on the first and there is a compelling reason to have a negative opinion on the second.

>But note that mankind has a myriad of natural impulses

We sure do and as long as they don't cause problems with others, people should be free to indulge them as they like.


>Mankind is called to be more than his impulses.

According to your superstations.

>We are called by God, and society. to rise above our baser instincts to be better than our natures.

Why does two men having sex offend this and a man and a woman having sex does not? The "base" instinct is the same, the expression of it different but the results are the same save of course for the baby bit but straight people have sex without making kids all the time so really not a deal breaker.

> It sets us apart from the animals.

No, I think sex is something we have quite in common with the animals only they just do it and don't attach any bizarre arbitrary rules to it. We on the other hand can do it whenever we like, in more positions and locations so I guess it evens out.

>That's why some of us need God.

So you need your god so you don't behave the way your god made you to behave? If you didn't believe in your god you would what? Have no discrimination in your affections? You'd be a prostitute? You don't think you would still be a decent person and caring mother unless Jesus?

Doubt that.

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

You have no idea what I could or could not be without my faith.

You asked me once, why do I believe?

IN short, I believe because I want to believe.

salvage said...

>You have no idea what I could or could not be without my faith.

No, I suppose not but odds are you'd be about the same.

How does believing in your god make you a better person?

>IN short, I believe because I want to believe.

Yup, that's exactly right.

Scripture to keep in mind

Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: [17] Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, [18] A heart that deviseth wicked plots, feet that are swift to run into mischief, [19]A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and him that soweth discord among brethren. [20] My son, keep the commandments of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother. ***Cf:Douay-Rheims Proverbs 6: 16-20

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