Thursday, November 24, 2011

Females should never have been allowed in choirs


"V. The singers

12. With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir. Hence the music rendered by them must, at least for the greater part, retain the character of choral music.

By this it is not to be understood that solos are entirely excluded. But solo singing should never predominate to such an extent as to have the greater part of the liturgical chant executed in that manner; the solo phrase should have the character or hint of a melodic projection (spunto), and be strictly bound up with the rest of the choral composition.

13. On the same principle it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.

14. Finally, only men of known piety and probity of life are to be admitted to form part of the choir of a church, and these men should by their modest and devout bearing during the liturgical functions show that they are worthy of the holy office they exercise. It will also be fitting that singers while singing in church wear the ecclesiastical habit and surplice, and that they be hidden behind gratings when the choir is excessively open to the public gaze."
Tra Le Sollecitudine-Pius X, forbade women from singing in choirs

Man, when they( Pius XII, ) allowed women to sing, that is what started the whole ball of wax. First women in the choir began the slippery slope to the 1994 the indult permitting girls to serve the altar, which as everyone knows is the reason why women want to be priests.

Personally, I find this ridiculous, the women who want to be priests NEVER served the mass.  Most of the Women wanting to be priests are grey haired.  And girls serving the altar began in 1995- 16 years ago.  So as far as I can see their desire to become priest began with their admittance to the choirs.

The way I see it the cure for the ills of the feminization of the Church is to yank the women out of everything, so maybe when the indult to have females serve the altar is repealed, they should rescind the whole females in the choir thing.  The Altos and soprano parts could be sung by eunuchs.

If women can't sing, they certainly should not be allowed to proclaim the readings, so pull them out of there as well. Have them do nothing to serve God, Jesus, the Church or anything else.  And while we are at it, don't you dare try to have an opinion on anything.

I hate to say it, but sometimes just sometimes when I hear traddies talk, I am reminded of a comment by a civil rights acivist in the sixties who when asked: What is a woman's position in the Civil Rights Movements? Answered: On their backs.

I feel, that the only two ways that women have to serve the Lord and the church, is either to become a nun, in which case the best form of nunnery is to be cloistered;or be a mother, in which case we should promptly shut up raise our children and would you please skip mass for the first seven years of your child's life, so that your kid doesn't disturb the rest of the people at mass.


mary333 said...

Eunuchs? Yes, they could sing soprano...

Lol. You sound like St. Teresa of Avila in this post. She was upset by St. Paul's comment about women being quiet in church and was very verbal about it. I knew there was a reason I liked her so much.

You certainly tell it like it is, Puff. Nice rant ;)

Anonymous said...


Vox Cantoris said...


At one time there were "eunuchs", and the last one, Allesandro Morechi, died just over 100 years ago, they were known as the "Castrati."

In Italian, I believe the translation for Altar "Boy" is "Little Cleric." The Altar Boy/Girl/Server actually substitutes for the Deacon, Subdeacon, Acolyte, etc from the Solemn Mass. The "Choir' which St. Pius X refers to was also a choir of clerics and they would have sad in the front facing one another in the "choir" between the altar and the nave...they would have been in the Sanctuary.

Not only women, but laymen were not permitted in the sanctuary.

Choir lofts were created not just to hold the large size that organs had become (sometimes on the side), but to hold the non "Clerical" choir of laymen and "women."

As for as whether women should "sing"...I think Puff summed it up...I'm not going there!!!

P.S. In my choir for the Extraordinary Form women are welcome but men are desperately needed!

Puff the Magic Dragon said...


Alessandro Moreschi

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

Please note: St. Pius X was speaking about the lay singers taking the place of ecclesaistical choirs as noted by these words:

singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir. .....On the same principle it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir.

With all due respect to the venerable saint, he did mean that the lay singers in the church were not to be women.

Scripture to keep in mind

Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: [17] Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, [18] A heart that deviseth wicked plots, feet that are swift to run into mischief, [19]A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and him that soweth discord among brethren. [20] My son, keep the commandments of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother. ***Cf:Douay-Rheims Proverbs 6: 16-20


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