Saturday, April 30, 2011

If Only

There is Hope for England Becoming Roman Catholic Again

Apparently the Future King Of England (and Canada) William and Prince Henry of Wales are through their mother related to a Roman Catholic Passionist Priest the Venerable Fr. Ignatius Spencer.

To find out more about his cause for Sainthood check out the Walshingham Project

Diana as you know, is the daughter of the 8th Earl Spencer, whose ancestral home is Althorpe. Her brother, William and Harry's uncle is the 9th Earl Spencer.

The Family history goes like this:

  • John Spencer, 1st Earl Spencer (1734–1783), a grandson of the 3rd Earl of Sunderland through his youngest son
  • George John Spencer, 2nd Earl Spencer (1758–1834), politician son of 1st Earl Spencer
  • John Charles Spencer, 3rd Earl Spencer (1782–1845), better known as Lord Althorp, politician son of 2nd Earl, brother to fourth Earl
  • Frederick Spencer, 4th Earl Spencer (1798–1857) son to 2nd Earl, brother to 3rd Earl
  • John Poyntz Spencer, 5th Earl Spencer (1835–1910), politician son of the Fourth Earl
  • Charles Robert Spencer, 6th Earl Spencer (1857–1922) 1/2 brother to fifth Earl , son of 4th Earl
  • Albert Edward John Spencer, 7th Earl Spencer (1892–1975), son of 6th Earl
  • (Edward) John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer (1924–1992), son of seventh Earl,  father of Diana, Princess of Wales mother to William of Wales Future King of England

  • The Very Reverend Hon. George Spencer (later known as Father Ignatius Spencer (1799–1864)) was brother to the third and fourth Earls, and uncle to 5th & 6th Earls Spencer. Son of the 2nd Earl Spencer, making him Prince William's 4th great uncle.

  • ~* Please note that the above was put together from various Wikipedia Pages like the 2nd Earl's Page

    Hopefully that makes sense:

    Anyway, now back  to Venerable Fr. Ignatius of St. Paul

    "Father Ignatius of St Paul (1799–1864), born as Hon. George Spencer, was a son of the 2nd Earl Spencer. He converted from Anglicanism to the Roman Catholic Church and entered the Passionist Order in 1841 and spent his life working for the conversion of England to the Catholic faith." Also from Wikipedia

    He led a "crusade" for the conversion of England.  And called on the Faithful for prayers for that conversion.

    Oh if only the Venerable Father's prayer could be answered with a resounding YES

    Then there's the Archbishop of Canterbury's reaction to Coetibus Anglicanorum

    Friday, April 29, 2011

    Designs for the Left and Right Sides of the Altar

    Immaculate Conception                          St. Joseph with the Infant Jesus
    Click on the images to get the sources
     As I said cross stitiching isnot my favourite, but I should keep within the same embroidery technique and approximate the style or the art for all three icons.

    Communion in the Hand verses Communion on the Tongue

    I prefer Communion on the Tongue.  I don't have consecrated hadn worthy to touch the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of My Saviour, but Rome has approved reception in the hand.  So I am not about to suggest that all Catholics must receive communion on the tongue.  It's just my personal choice to do so, even though Rome says either way is acceptable.  I would prefer to receive it kneeling, but without a communion rail (most of the churchesin Toronto don't have one) kneeling is pretty tough.

    Rome has also said that Women need not cover their heads during the EF of the Mass, although it was a requirement when the EF was the only Form.  The Vatican relaxed the rules for attending mass, and it states that it is not requred at either Form.  I prefer to wear a mantilla, not only at the EF but also the OF.  Not because I am more pious, or better, or because St. Paul said so.  Actually, I think it is right, because well, of our Jewish brothers.  In the Jewish synogogue, men cover their heads as a sign that God is above them. 

    Corinthian 11: 13-19
    13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone is disposed to be contentious--we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

    Styles have changed.. It is not disgraceful for a man to have long hair ( heck look at beethoven and Mozart) and women no longer have long hair.  Styles have changed,  And Paul said we are free to decide for ourselves. I choose yes, usually,except that Frodo keeps pulling it off my head so, lately I've gone without.

    But what do I know?

    70 Belgian Sex Abuse Victims Sue The Vatican and the Catholic Church in Belgium

    From Associated Press Via The News Tribune Website
    A group of 70 people claiming to be sexual abuse victims of clergy will take Vatican and Belgian church officials to court, claiming they offered them insufficient protection from pedophile priests.
    Lawyer Walter Van Steenbrugge said Friday he will lodge the complaint in about two weeks. He said religious officials, including the pope, had failed to take proper action to prevent such abuse.
    The Belgian church got involved in a major abuse scandal last year when Bruges Bishop Roger Vangheluwe was forced to resign after he admitted he abused for 13 years his young nephew. Later, hundreds of victims came forward with tales of abuse by clergy going back decades.

    Read more:
    The church needs prayers, the victims need prayers, and the guilty need prayers. 
    I will also say that the most innocent of priests also need prayers.  Although there are many victims of the travesty.  The pepetrators of this most disgusting and abominable sin and crime make up a minute percentage of the priesthood of the Catholic Church. According to Wikipedia the number is 4%. (in the US: A percentage world wide, I cannot find, but I would argue that worldwide would be roughly the same) A number that is too high, for there should be NONE, in Christ's Church. 
    But it does mean that 96% of the priests in the US ( and the rest of the world) are innocent of any crime or sin against these our most precious members of the Catholic Church.  Please pray for them too.

    In the Novena of Divine Mercy, on the Second Day (Holy Saturday)we are to bring to Christ's mercy

    "the Souls of of Priests and Religious,

    and immerse them in My unfathomable mercy. It was they who gave me strength to endure My bitter Passion. Through them as through channels My mercy flows out upon mankind."

    Most Merciful Jesus, from whom comes all that is good, increase Your grace in men and women consecrated to Your service,* that they may perform worthy works of mercy; and that all who see them may glorify the Father of Mercy who is in heaven.

    Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the company of chosen ones in Your vineyard -- upon the souls of priests and religious; and endow them with the strength of Your blessing. For the love of the Heart of Your Son in which they are enfolded, impart to them Your power and light, that they may be able to guide others in the way of salvation and with one voice sing praise to Your boundless mercy for ages without end. Amen.
    Read more:

    Although the second day of the Novena of Chaplets is over.  The priests of the Church need constant prayers. Entrust your parish priest to Our Lady.

    Arwen's only Carefully Considered Well Thought Out Comment Concerning the Royal Wedding

    Not to be out done by her dad

    Our 8 year old piped:  I don't care, now shut up!

    Tuesday, April 26, 2011

    Hubby aspires to build this

    And a crucifixion design I am considering for the centre is:

    Click the Image for source of the cross stitch pattern
    My only qualm is that it is a cross stitch and I really don't like cross-stitching too much. 
    Also if I start with cross stitching I need to finish with cross-stitching

    This would be the big one in the centre.

    An embroidered Lord's Prayer would be behind the Crucifix

    Our Lady on the Left
    St. Joseph on the Right

    I'm gobsmacked on this one

    Monday, April 25, 2011

    Mystery Worshipper reviews Holy Family RC Church in Toronto

    Mystery Worshippers are akin to Mystery Shoppers.

    Bear love's this Church
    Mystery Worshipper: LQ.

    The church: Holy Family, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

    Denomination: Roman Catholic, Archdiocese of Toronto.

    The building: The church occupies a new building since a 1997 fire destroyed the original Holy Family Church. The interior is simple, but visually pleasing. At the back of the nave is a row of confessionals. A shrine to Our Lady graces the front. The chancel is a raised platform surrounded by a communion rail, with a free standing altar in the centre. Behind a screen is the tabernacle, a compromise reached with the archdiocese to allow traditional placement of the tabernacle while fulfilling modern requirements that it be in a distinct space.
    The church: Holy Family is one of two parishes served by the apostolate of the Oratory of St Philip Neri, a congregation of Roman Catholic priests and lay-brothers who live together in community bound together by no formal vows but only by the bond of charity. Oratorians append the letters C.O., the abbreviation for the Latin Congregatio Oratorii, to their names. The Oratory was transferred here from the Archdiocese of Montréal in 1979. Six masses are celebrated each Sunday according to the missal of Paul VI, including three sung masses (two in English and one in Latin). Solemn vespers and benediction are offered Sunday evenings, and every weekday one mass is offered according to the missal of John XXIII. The parish has strong musical and catechetical programmes, as well as regular family and adult educational and devotional events. The Oratorians serve another parish up the street, St Vincent de Paul, where the Sunday traditional Latin mass is celebrated.

    The neighbourhood: The village of Parkdale was amalgamated with Toronto in 1889. It has an ethnically diverse population and is in the midst of gentrification. Slum housing and the proximity to the psychiatric hospital present serious social problems in the area. Ecclesiastically, Parkdale is known as the heartland of Anglo-Catholicism in Toronto, but no parish existed for the village’s Roman Catholics until the establishment of the original Holy Family mission at the turn of the 20th century.

    The cast: The celebrant and preacher was the Revd Michael Eades, C.O., who was ordained to the priesthood on the Feast of St Philip Neri, 26 May of this year.

    The date & time: Feast of the Holy Rosary, Saturday, 10 October 2009, 11.00am.

    What was the name of the service?Missa Cantata according to the Usus Antiquior (Sung Mass according to the Old Rite).

    How full was the building?The church was nearly full, save for some of the seating reserved for the fraternal organisations in attendance – a few of these seats turned out not to be needed. I spotted at least half dozen other Anglicans in the nave.

    Did anyone welcome you personally?No. I found a service booklet and a seat.

    Was your pew comfortable?Yes, with a very comfortable kneeler.

    How would you describe the pre-service atmosphere?Although I arrived nearly half an hour early, I was not the first to arrive. A group of men – perhaps Knights of Columbus – were congregated on the front steps of the church with walkie-talkies in preparation for the event. Inside, several people had already begun praying the rosary before mass and a trickle of people flowed in and out of the confessionals.

    What were the exact opening words of the service?As the ministers and the caped Knights of Columbus (each armed with a sword) entered in procession, the choir sang the introit: Gaudeamus omnes in Domino, diem festum celebrantes sub honore Beatae Mariae Virginis (Let us all rejoice in the Lord, whilst celebrating this festal day in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary).

    What books did the congregation use during the service?A service leaflet was provided, with chants coming from the Adoremus Hymnal in the pew racks. Some brought their own personal missals.

    What musical instruments were played?The church's organ was played beautifully from the loft.

    Did anything distract you?Apart from a few very fetching seminarians in the chancel party, I couldn't help noticing the controversal television and radio talk show host (and Holy Family parishioner) Michael Coren in the pew behind mine.

    Was the worship stiff-upper-lip, happy clappy, or what?This was a dignified and solemn traditional Latin mass (although not strictly speaking a missa solemnis), with plainsong, incense, and splendid vestments. There were some ceremonial idiosyncrasies: for instance, the people knelt for the introit, Kyrie and Gloria. Surprisingly, the celebrant did not read the gospel in English after chanting it in Latin, a practice (I have been told by those old enough to remember) common in the days before the Second Vatican Council.

    Exactly how long was the sermon?4 minutes.

    On a scale of 1-10, how good was the preacher?7 – Father Eades spoke clearly and slowly, making his point with care.

    In a nutshell, what was the sermon about?The short reflection consisted of a synopsis of the Battle of Lepanto, where the Catholic allies' defeat of the Ottoman Empire was attributed to the intercession of Our Lady of the Rosary. Father Eades extolled the virtues and benefits of praying the rosary.

    Which part of the service was like being in heaven?Because the altar was free-standing, the celebrant was able to circumambulate it while censing it, which I always find a far more satisfying and impressive sight than the side-to-side censing of fixed altars. I was also quite struck by the chasuble, which bore an enormous head-to-toe image of the Blessed Virgin in the orphrey.

    And which part was like being in... er... the other place?Remaining seated during the administration of holy communion is invariably a sorrowful moment for me.

    What happened when you hung around after the service looking lost?Making my way into the narthex, I met up with a few of my co-religionists. Together we proceeded to the parish hall.

    How would you describe the after-service coffee?Not merely coffee, but an impressive hot and cold buffet lunch was served. Meatballs, pigs-in-blankets, miniature quiches, roast beef sandwiches, dumplings, tea sandwiches, and cheeses were all on offer. From the array of pastries served for dessert, I selected a very nice custard tart.

    How would you feel about making this church your regular (where 10 = ecstatic, 0 = terminal)?9 – If I were a Roman Catholic living in Toronto, I would almost certainly be a regular at Holy Family and St Vincent de Paul.

    Did the service make you feel glad to be a Christian?It certainly did, and it was a rare treat in my usual liturgical fare.

    What one thing will you remember about all this in seven days' time?The life-sized Virgin on Father's back

    Sunday, April 24, 2011

    Happy Easter

    From every one at my house:

    Bear, Galadriel, Arwen, and Frodo and of course, me your hostess.

    Have a Happy Easter.

    For those of you, like us, whose parish church omitted the Easter Sequence:

    Saturday, April 23, 2011

    Three Young Italian Tenors

    To paraphrase a comment made for this video on Youtube:
    In North America young phenomenal singers sound like Justin Bieber.  In Italy they apparently sound like this:

    And apparently they aren't one trick ponies

    Were You There?

    I don't mean to cast dispersions on this Spiritual hymn.  I just don't think it is appropriate for Good Friday Liturgy.

    I don't know if I can explain it, but I'll try.

    I have been involved in gathering liturgical information for years.

    I have in my home, several books that I use

    I have a Lectionary, which has the readings and psalms for Sundays and Solemnities.

    I have a Missal, not a missalette, from which I get the English translations of the Entrance Antiphon  and the Communion Antiphon that would be found in the Sacramentary. ( at present there is no english translation of the Offertory Antiphon)

    I have a Graduale Romanum, which has in latin all the Antiphons of the Propers, Offertory included, and the Chants between the readings

    I have the simpler to sing, Graduale Simplex, which has Mass Suites arranged for the seasons, and Mass Suites arranged thematically as well as Mass Suites for the Solemennities and the Commons of Saints.

    I have an English Translation of the Graduale Simplex intitled : By Flowing Waters, by Dr. Paul Ford.

    I have CBWII and CBW III and I also recently purchased the companion to the CBW III

    So I have the resources to do my research, and I take it seriously.  How I started and why I started this research if subject for another post, and maybe  one day I'll do it.

    And For Good Friday, I notice that hymns this day is about Christ's suffering and death.  Wellit doesn't take a genious to figure that out. but let me continue:
    At the Veneration of the Cross, the Graduale Romanum, and the Graduale Simplex (BFW)  have suggested is the Reproaches, and the Hymnus (Hymn) Crux Fideles,(Faithul Cross)

    The two offer the following:  One reminds us all the love God showed us and we repaid him with suffering and death. God speaks to us, and we are accused, and we must answer.  He demands an answer - though no true Christian can have a satisfying answer to the charges rightly laid aginst us.

    Crux Fideles, is a hymn about the cross, as insturment of our Salvation.  We venerate in song the tree on which Christ brought about our Salvation.  We glorify the cross, because Christ used it to save us.

    Further: in general: Hymns in church should be from us to GOD.  In the crucifixion, we are Christ's accusers, we are Christ's jailers, we are they who,  by our future sins, necessitated his suffering.

    And on the surface Were you there? suggests this.  Because Were you there?  when they crucified Christ although we weren't there physically, our sins were each lash, our sins were each nail, our sins were each jeer and insult.. I get that.  But the form the song takes, is between human beings about the act of crucifying.  It isn't between Us and God.  It isn't even between us and the cross.  It is between 2 believers, our conversation should be between us and Jesus, most especially on this most intimate of all days.

    I've probably done a horrible job explaining it all.

    Then again, what do I know.

    It's good Friday

    Last night, Galadriel, Arwen and I went to Mass of the Lord's Supper.

    Mass was good, unlike past years, ( I'll put a link here to last year's post sometime later.) The pastor followed the rubrics quite well. Rang the bells at the Gloria, no bells at the elevations, used wooden knockers instead. Entrance Hymn: Lift High the Cross (CRUCIFER)
    UBI CARITAS in latin (at the washing of the feet) not the taize or the gregorian that's in CBW III, but very nice.) Make me an Instrument of Your Peace (O WALLY WALLY) for Offertory Communion had a latin motet- couldn't tell which one. Procession and closing the Tabernacle of Repose Pange Lingua Gloriosi with last verses of tantum ergo. The Choir Master made the mistake of saying that Pange Lingua Gloriosi was the Closing hymn - it isn't the closing hymn, because technically the mass doesn't end. But hey. The celebrants left quietly and the  altar was stripped un ceremoniously.

    In other words, the pastor made no attempt to make the Mass dramatic- and it was beautiful

    Frodo is ill - has  a minor fever 38.5 (under the armpit)  Bear has graciously decided to stay home today with him, while the girls and I take my mother to Good Friday liturgy at her parish.

    This Blog Needs a New Name

    I took over this abandoned blog. And there is nothing I can do about the URL.  It is fine I'll keep it.  But somehow New Toronto Catholic Blog doesn't sound quite right.  considering that there is a quarter in TO known as New Toronto, and I don't live there.  Also I am a cradle Catholic, born and raised in Toronto.  So I am neither a new Catholic, or newly in Toronto, and the URL isn't new either, it's used - so for all these and so distance myself from the previous owner, and lessen any chance that people might htink this is an official blog from the Archidiocese, I want to change it.

    But I don't have anny clue what to name it.
    I am not an apologist for the faith.  I am not a perfect Catholic, and I can get very pissed off.  I actually hate ranting, but that doesn't mean I don't rant at all. 

    I really have no idea about what to name this blog.

    Maybe a play on HR Puff 'n Stuff,  like  - RC Puff's Stuff

    Any suggestions would, at least be considered.

    Vox Cantoris said...
    According to Canon Law, no apostolic endeavour or association shall bear the name “Catholic” without the express permission of competent ecclesiastical authority (Canons 216, 300, 803§3, 808). While this norm is not always known or followed, it is meant to protect the faithful against misrepresentation by groups that do not promote the true Faith. Any association bearing the term “Catholic” in its name should have proof of consent by competent ecclesiastical authority.
    Can. 216 Since they participate in the mission of the Church, all the Christian faithful have the right to promote or sustain apostolic action even by their own undertakings, according to their own state and condition. Nevertheless, no undertaking is to claim the name Catholic without the consent of competent ecclesiastical authority.
    Can. 300 No association is to assume the name Catholic without the consent of competent ecclesiastical authority according to the norm of can. 312.

    April 23, 2011 5:39 AM
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    Thanks for the info. I honestly didn't know. Learn something new every day. As you can tell by the post I was thinking of changing it name completely. Now I will most definately. Since it's my stuff and my handle is Puff. I think I will go with "Puff's Blog about Stuff"

    Query does that mean I need to find a brand new URL or can I keep the the URL?

    Actually, never mind, I am going to just delete every post from this blog, move it to another URL, and only leave one post explaining the move with a link. After all, oh, 5 of my faithful followers have found me and have acknowledged that I have moved, I will then close the blog again.

    April 23, 2011 11:29 AM

    My First Embroidery Design I am Considering for the Home Altar

    I'm not sure where is would go.  I'm not even sure it will be framed and placed on the altar, but it is a consideration

    I just realized that the "tabernacle" could have Jesus as the Good Shepherd, or since it is a Home/Family Altar maybe the Holy Family.

    I've Been Tagged

    by the Ignorant Redneck: via Belinda, who got the idea from a comment I left on IR's post.


    The rules:

    Pick a saint were you most like in your youth?  That is, who acted a lot like you, or vice versa, when young?
    Answer, link to here, tag 4 more
    The Saint I was most like is St. Augustine.  Although, I can't find a saint who had my particular fault

    I tag Bear On Spirit's Sword
    The Ranter on ...the hell with it
    Mary333 at The Beautiful Gate
    Ductapeguy at Catholic Roundup


    Bear-i-tone said...
    My answer is up
    Mary333 said...
    Thanks, Puff! St. Augustine is it? Yes, St. Augustine and I had much in common too ;)
    The Ranter said...
    Here's mine:

    What to do When Hubby Builds a Home Altar

    Yes you read that correctly.

    He is building a home altar.

    Now normal people might use a simple table and arrange on it a crucifix, some prayer books, the family's rosaries, the advent wreath(during advent.) etc etc.

    But really, if we don't like that kind a simple table for an altar in church, why would we want a a simple table in our home.  After all it has to go with the organ he is building .

    I'll keep buying my weekly lottery ticket so we can get the money necessary to actually have a house these will fit into.  (Notice I said ticket - singular) {Aside: If I am meant to win I only need one ticket}
    Now what is needed for this altar are inlays for the Altar piece

    I need an embroidery design of the Crucifixion, which would go in the centre.
    I need an embrodiery design of Mary, Mater Dei (Generatrix Dei, Or Theotekos)  Bear likes Mary, Exterminatrix of Heresies.
    and I need an embroidery design for Saint Joseph (Not sure between:as  The Worker, as Christ's Foster- Foster, or because of the pride of place that candy has in our house, as the Patron of Confectioners

    Then we need a cover for the place where if this were full size and in a church it would be the tabernacle but will most probably only hold some of our secondary and tertiary relics and rosaries that we have.

    Also I would need to embroider an altar cloth, but nothing that would suggest the Blessed Sacrament, because obviously it isn't that kind of altar.

    So what do you think.  Where could I get the designs.  Then again he hasn't even told me what size these have to be. 

    Other info: you might need to narrow your suggestions.

    Our Ethnic Bakgrounds: Bear is Irish/English and I am Italian.
    He has already built me an embroidery stand, so my designs need not be limited to the size of hoops
    I don't like cross stitching much.

    So any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated

    Put links in the combox

    Hopefully he can get me photos to show you what I mean


    ignorant redneck said...
    Two things, and Two things only: 1--I just hung a crucifix on my wall, and am looking for another icon or two--I am definitly outclassed! 2--There is a New Meme at my place, and TAG--you're it.

    I have an Idea

    Let's see how do I phrase this.

    The way I see it, the Holy Father has declared that the Roman Rite has two forms of the Liturgy, the Ordinary and the Extraordinary.  Both a valid, licit, and beloved. 

    The ArchBishop is the ultimate administrator of the sacraments in the Archidiocese.

    He could order that a priest from every parish must be trained in both forms of the Mass.

    There are 181 territorial churches, 43 personal parishes, and 4 mission churches. -224 parishes

    10 parishes per month ( weekends) could be trained in the extra ordinary.  Working around the year, breaking for Christmas, and Easter, and every parish would have a qualified priest in the extraordinary form within 2 1/2 years.

    Also make it obligatory and a requirement to learn the Extraordinary Form to be ordained in the Archdiocese of Toronto. That would mean every seminarian would know and be trained for both forms.

    When you have the priests learning, at these weekends, you could also invite selected altar boys and the permanent deacons to also learn to serve the EF Mass

    I know this is an over simplification.  But if Priests were to actually suggest and announce that it is possible to have an EF Mass now, I really think that they would come.  To paraphrase the movie.  If you form it, they will come.- Not that many parishioners know that it is permitted to even ask for this mass.  Many still think it isn't allowed any more.

    Why deny the unschooled catholics a rich gift, just because they don't blog or read websites.

    I never promised to obey

    my husband.

    Bear and I married back in 1993.  I remember, clearly, the two of us in Fr. John's rectory office planning the Nuptial Mass, back in 1992.  Fr. asked us which wording we wanted for the wedding ceremony. He also reminded us that we could write our own vows, but if we did that there were some guidelines to follow.  I remember Bear and I looking at eacher and both shaking our heads.  NO. 

    Bear choose to LOVE, HONOUR and CHERISH me.  It is the pretty standard vow for the guy

    Father, asked me simply : Do you want to OBEY him.  That was a big question back then

    I said: No

    Bear: What do you mean, you won't obey me?

    Me:  I know my faults, I am not standing up before God a vowing to obey you, when I know I won't always do that.  An if you think, I'm going to marry you and empty my brain so that I can't have a thought or an opinion of my own, you've got another thing coming.(  I wasn't going to give up all authority and responsibility to make decisions.  I was only marrying him, not becoming his serf. ) Besides, if I could master obedience, I would have become a nun. 

    Father: How about, LOVE, HONOUR  and RESPECT.  Can you vow to respect him?

    Me: Yes, I can honestly promise to respect him.  But wait, doesn't that imply that he has to be respectable?

    Father: Yes

    The upshot of all this is Bear has to be respectable and I have to be cherishable. I have to admit I got the easier gig.

    Also, in the marriage ceremony, Bear did NOT endow me with all his worldly goods, (like his name and titles) like the protestants do. Which is why in Protestant Countries, like England, women on mass, take their husband's name. Actually they don't take so much as they have it foisted on them.

    Traditionally Catholic Countries: Italy, Spain, France, Poland, Russia, etc  Women aren't given their husband's name , so they keep their own names. Though, I don't hit the roof, if you call me Mrs Bear-i-tone.

    There is a particular protocol when a woman uses Mrs or Miss. But that is another post, for another time.

    But the real reason I haven't changed my ID is I'm too damn lazy.

    So I am asking ladies, if you are married, two questions 1: did you promise to obey, and 2: did you take your husband's name, ie, change all your ID


    The Ranter said...
    No and yes. I will write more later...I have a toddler on my lap and that makes it hard. How long have you been married?
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    1993-til now coming up to 18 years
    The Ranter said...
    No, I didn't promise to obey, I think I promised something pretty close to what you wrote. Interesting about women in Catholic countries *not* taking their husband's name. I guess I just thought it was kinda silly not to take his name. In a way, I just kinda looked down upon the 'ultra-feminists' who make their husband take their name and other such silliness. I didn't see/don't see how taking my husband's name means I am participating in some ultra-patriarchal system that's trying to keep me barefoot and pregnant.
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    That's not what I meant, sorry if that is how the post came off. I just am rather trying to point out that if you do or don't take your husband's name does make you anything but a woman. There are some people who automatically assume that a woman who does not change all her ID is some kind of feminist, less than real Catholic. I just wanted to say Catholics can either take or not take. Both are honourable and has a long tradition behind the usage. Neither makes you any less of a Catholic. The post was a reaction not an initial action. Sorry
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    @ Ranterhowlong have you been married? How old is your little one, and how many babes have you?
    Mary333 said...
    No, I didn't promise to obey either. It never came up, actually. I have been married for 16 years and I thought they had stopped using the term obey quite a while back. I know it wasn't used during my wedding ceremony, anyway. Ooops! I probably shouldn't have admitted that! There are those who might say my marriage isn't valid ;) Like you, I get very frustrated at the Catholic in-fighting that goes on these days (especially online). I always thought that I was a strict Catholic until I started blogging!
    The Ranter said... didn't come off that way :-) I understood your point. I honestly had never known the Protestant/Catholic thing. We have two kiddos...4 and 2; married a little over 9 years now. Always hoping for another, but right now, that's not His will.
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    Mine are Girl 15 years Girl 8 years Boy 10 months God works in mysterious ways. I'm so old, I thought my last was menopause.

    Do I really want to belong to a church where its adherents nitpick and insult each other

    Yeah, I guess so

    mantilla nod to the Ranter

    Name Calling

    Do I really want to belong to a church, where faithful adherents nitpick and insult each other, because they don't worship exactly the same way.

    You have those  who hear the traditionalists, and their desire to keep to the rubrics of the Mass and the catechism not be watered down, and call them names like Taliban Catholics.

    Then you have those same traditionalists who hate to be called Taliban Catholics, who think that it isn't right to be called names, calling those who disagree with them the worst insult they can thinkof: Protestant. As suggested by one such person Fr. Z's combox, who has been himself insulted with the epithet, which he dispised, Taliban Catholic, had the nerve to suggest that those who tinkered with the Mass (That would be the Bishops in the CCCB) should stop or become, join or start a protestant sect.
    I'm a better Catholic because I listen to the CCCB.  No, I'm a better catholic because I listen to my more traditional Archbishop.  No I'm more of a catholic because I only listen to Rome, but only when Rome does things right.

    Is this the Roman Catholic Church we  want?
    Is this the Roman Catholic Church we deserve?

    Well, I already don't go to Mass anymore, because I can't stand the hypocrisy of these bickering snickering Catholics on both sides.  I listen to Mass for shut ins.  Because I am not welcome in the traditionalist's church, and I am too traditional to be welcome in the progressive church.  I fit in no where.  And no one welcomes me.

    I am a simple Catholic who desires to follow Rome, trust the CCCB knows what it's doing, and a parish priest who says the black and does the red. I want to belong to a congregation who respects the tenets, doctrine, dogma, and rubrics of the Holy Mass of Catholic Faith.  My pastor need not be a Liturgical Expert.  I need not be entertained at mass. I want to feel I am worshipping God, not nature.

    I don't want to be traditional, I don't want to be progressive.



    Vox Cantoris said...
    "Well, I already don't go to Mass anymore, because I can't stand the hypocrisy of these bickering snickering Catholics on both sides. I listen to Mass for shut ins." Sorry, this is not a substitute for attending Mass and is no differnent that those of the SSPX who won't attend an Ordinary Form if in a snowstorm they can't get to the an SSPX chapel. At the risk of being insulted by you again, I will tell you, it is a Protestant attitude.
    The Ranter said...
    "I am a simple Catholic who desires to follow Rome, trust the CCCB knows what it's doing, and a parish priest who says the black and does the red. I want to belong to a congregation who respects the tenets, doctrine, dogma, and rubrics of the Holy Mass of Catholic Faith. My pastor need not be a Liturgical Expert. I need not be entertained at mass. I want to feel I am worshipping God, not nature." Since I'm American, well, I don't trust the USCCB - but I agree with this part of your post especially.
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    @ The Ranter. Thank you

    Concious Men to go back to sleep and dream up something else

    UPDATED: APRIL 15, 2011

    Mantilla nod to Hillary Jane Margaret Smith at Orville's Picnic

    this is what radical feminazi radicalism has wrought in malekind.  Good Grief. They might as well, give up, go home, play for the other team. 

    Ladies is this really what we want?  For my part, their apology sounds so patronizing.

    UPDATE: Bear has a very good write up here - go read it


    LarryD said...
    I had to stop watching after 30 seconds as I could feel testosterone ooze from my body. I am so linking to this and giving it the AoftheA treatment it so justly deserves.
    Puff the Magic Dragon said...
    Please do. Everything I tried sounded just sad.
    ignorant redneck said...
    These "Men" are whimpy little whiners who wouldn't make a wart on a real mans

    Alternative Blognic

    See info  here

    I remember when the Vatican planned the 2002 World Youth Days in Toronto.  At some point in the ceremonies certain "catholics" decided to host their own "Alternative World Youth Days" called " Challenge the Church"

    I find, when I read about this alternative Blognic, that what they are primarily afraid of is that they "Think" they will be criticized in some way, for slamming priests who disagreed with them.   The Vatican Bloggers meet won't "address a specific theme of general relevance." or that  they will not "speak of their experiences in working with new media and initiatives aimed at ensuring an effective engagement by the Church with bloggers."

    They are concerned , because they have to fill out a form listing among other things their blogging info, that they will automatically not be approved, even though they have often stood up to local priest in support of Rome. To quote Ben and Jerry when they were being sued Pilsbury. "What are the doughboys afraid of?"

    If I could afford to go to Rome, I would have filled out the form and secured my spot to go. And if I had been declined I would NOT have automatically assumed that I had been declined for any other reason but because there were already too many bloggers from Western Canada accepted, who had gotten their requests in before mine.

    I may not always have agreed with these bloggers, who are planning an alternative blognic, but until now, I have never seen them so hostile to Rome, and so irrationally worried that they might, just might be told they are wrong by Rome. Good Grief. 

    Here they have a chance to let Rome know about how their blogged views get them chastised by clerics or even other Catholics.   Here they would have a chance to tell and speak about their expriences.  And ask questions?  I would live to ask questions. And yet they put this endeavour down. Don't they have any questions about anything regarding blogging?  I guess not.  Gee they must be so lucky to have all the answers. So much so that they will talk amongst themselves.  Really, why bother spending all that money to meet in Rome, when they already talk amongst themselves with their blogs

    CCCB publishes Guidelines for the 2011 Election

    The CCCB has published on its site guidelines on how to decide for whom you should vote.
    " the Commission lists some basic principles from Catholic moral and social teaching to help voters analyse and evaluate public policies and programs."

    It begins by stating very clearly that voiting in elections is not only a right but a duty of all Catholic Canadians.

    From the Guidelines

    The Church encourages and reasserts its belief in “the political freedom and responsibility of citizens.”1 By exercising their right to vote, citizens fulfill their duty of choosing a government and at the same time send a clear signal to the candidates being presented by the political parties.

    Political candidates are citizens too. In addition, they assume responsibility for the well being of the public. Their commitment and dedication are a generous contribution to society’s common good. Indeed, the purpose of the political community is the common good.2 What is the common good? It is “the sum of those conditions of … social life whereby people, families and associations more adequately and readily may attain their own perfection.”3

    The Guidelines list examples of Catholic Moral teaching,not as a platform but a glass to help analyze party platforms. They include:

    1. Respect for life and human dignity: from conception to natural death
    2. Building a more just society
    3. The person and the family
    4. Canada in the world: providing leadership for justice and peace
    5. A healthy country in a healthy environment

    For each of these fields you are asked to see where the Party stands on these issues, and where the individual candidate stands on these issues.

    Cast your vote for that candidate you believe best encompasses what is

    The Guidelines end with this:
    Voting means using your judgmentExercising the right to vote means making enlightened and well-thought-out judgments about the choices available. There are times, however, when these choices may prove very difficult. The Church reminds us that “in this context, it must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law in which the fundamental content of faith and morals is replaced by the introduction of proposals differing from this content or opposing it.”4
    It is a sign of a healthy community when informed and responsible citizens engage in an ongoing dialogue on major social issues with their political leaders. This is precisely the kind of community we should strive to support and develop.5 No less is expected of us, since we are all called to be truly responsible for one another.

    (Dated)25 March 2011
    Episcopal Commission for Justice and Peace
    Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops
    The Most Reverend Brendan M. O’Brien, Chairman
    The Most Reverend François Lapierre, P.M.É.
    The Most Reverend David Motiuk
    The Most Reverend Valéry Vienneau

    Almsgiving is always an act of Mercy

    Remember this Lent to donate to Share Life..  Share Life was started by Archbishop Pocock in march 1972, because the United Way took the unfortunate decision to fund Abortion Clinics.  The United Way and the Catholic Church parted ways, but the Archibishop started Share Life as the the fundraising arm of the Archdiocese of Toronto. April 3 | May 1 | June 5, 2011 are in Toronto Parishes,  ShareLife Sundays.  If you are registered at your parish and you use boxed envelopes you will find three specially marked  for Share Life.

    If you aren't able to donate on ShareLife Sundays there are other ways to donate online
     Please consider very carefully about your donation. See where your money went last year. And  See all those who are helped by your generosity

    Vatican is organizing a blogger's convention

    For Source Click on Image above
    A meeting for bloggers will take place in Rome on the afternoon of Monday 2 May 2011.

    The aim of the meeting, which is being organised by the Pontifical Councils for Culture and Social Communications, is to allow for a dialogue between bloggers and Church representatives, to listen to the experiences of those who are actively involved in this arena, and to achieve a greater understanding of the needs of that community. The meeting will also allow for a presentation of some of the initiatives to engage with new media practitioners being taken by the Church, both in Rome and at the local level.

    In two panels, speakers will open up some of the key issues in order to set up a more general discussion open to all participants. The first panel will involve 5 bloggers – they will be chosen to represent different language groups and each will address a specific theme of general relevance. The second panel will draw on people involved in the Church’s communications outreach – they will speak of their experiences in working with new media and initiatives aimed at ensuring an effective engagement by the Church with bloggers.

    Among those participating at the meeting will be Cardinal Ravasi of the Pontifical Council for Culture, Archbishop Celli of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications and Father Lombardi of the Vatican’s Press Office and Vatican Radio. An important dimension of the meeting is to allow an opportunity for informal exchange and contact between those attending with a view to opening further avenues of interaction.

    The meeting is taking place on the day after the Beatification of Pope John Paul II in order to take advantage of the likely presence in Rome of many bloggers. The invitation is open to all, but bloggers who wish to attend need to apply by emailing .This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and sending a link to their blog. As space is limited to 150 seats and there is a desire to have a representation of the entire blogosphere, entrance passes and further details will be distributed with a view to the diversity of language and geography, typology of blogs (institutional or private, multivoice or personal), subjects of blogs, and timeliness of request.

    Simultaneous translation will be provided for Italian, English, French, Polish and Spanish.

    The venue is the Palazzo San Pio X, in via della Conciliazione, 5

    Well, One Candidate was out trying to get my vote

    To bad she's a Liberal.

    But she did present me with a flyer (folded in three to make it look like a brochure) of what the Liberal Platform is supposedly

    The Liberal Party's Plan is to stand with Canadian Families by helping families with the cost of caring for sick or aging lived ones. 

    The Liberal Family Care Plan inclusdes a new 6 month EI Maternity and Parental Leave Benefit,  and a New Family Care Tax Benefit model on the Child Tax Benefit. 

    Then she goes on to state the numbers of how many Canadians are in the Sandwich generation.  .

    This is the entire Liberal platform.  Canadian with sick elder parents.  Don't get me wrong.  Bear and I both have elderly mothers and we, along with our siblings help them alot., but there is more to running a country than helping to take care of our elderly.

    She points out that the "conservtives want bigger prisons, faster jets and more lavish summits, while the Liberals want to help people, families and communitities"

    First:  While help with families is very important, there is alot of help for families.  The CCEC is operated by the Provincial Government and are funded by provincial givernment and help mymom with morning meds, and check her blood sugar every morning. The resources are there on the provincial level, where they belong. Health is a Provincial Responsibility not a federal one. 
    As For knocking the bigger prisons.  - Our old prisons are falling apart and and are in some cases decrepit.  It's not that I think prisoners should have the best in life- but shouldn't it be a least very difficult to escape.

    As for the Faster Jets.  Please- it is about time.  Our Military is sorely under outfitted to do its job.  Though I would suggest that instead of getting all fighter jets, some workhorses like warthogs would be a good idea.

    And as for the more lavish summits, well, ... no that one I have to give to the Liberals. Righteous critique.

    One candidate assessed, now how many more to go.

    Implementation of the Third Edition of the Roman Missal

    Notice for Parish Musicians

    The Sacramentary currently being used to provide the texts for the celebration of Mass is soon to be replaced. Some of the texts in what will be called the Roman Missal that are spoken or sung by the assembly will change. Music ministers will play an important role in assisting their Sunday assemblies to make the transition to the new texts.
    To provide parish musicians with information, resources and practical ideas, a workshop will be offered:
    Saturday, May 28
    9:00 am – 3:30 pm
    Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary Parish
    3 Combermere Drive | Toronto ON | M3A 2W4
    The nearest intersection is Victoria Park and York Mills Road
    This workshop will assist music ministers to bring the new translation to life in their parishes. It will provide an opportunity to review 3 new Mass settings that have been commissioned by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops as well as the chant setting in the Roman Missal itself. Practical ideas to assist you in introducing this music to your assembly will be presented.
    Further details will be available in the near future.
    The Missale Romanum (Roman Missal), the ritual text for the celebration of the Mass, was promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970 as the definitive text of the reformed liturgy of the Second Vatican Council. That Latin text, the editio typica (typical edition), was translated into various languages for use around the world. The Holy See issued a revised text, the editio typica altera, in 1975. Pope John Paul II promulgated the third edition (editio typica tertia) of the Missale Romanum during the Jubilee Year in 2000. Among other things, the third edition contains prayers for the celebration of recently canonized saints, additional prefaces for the Eucharistic Prayers, additional Masses and Prayers for Various Needs and Intentions, and some updated and revised rubrics (instructions) for the celebration of the Mass. The translation of that text will soon be available for use in Canada.
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    Scripture to keep in mind

    Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: [17] Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, [18] A heart that deviseth wicked plots, feet that are swift to run into mischief, [19]A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and him that soweth discord among brethren. [20] My son, keep the commandments of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother. ***Cf:Douay-Rheims Proverbs 6: 16-20


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